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		By: Shannon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just posted this entry on the blog I edit for Ridge Burns, and it reminded me of this post.

http://amfmission.org/burns/post/a-small-church-pastors-family/

Hope you&#039;ll be blogging again soon. I enjoy the longer, in-depth posts (more than what you can put on Twitter)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted this entry on the blog I edit for Ridge Burns, and it reminded me of this post.</p>
<p><a href="http://amfmission.org/burns/post/a-small-church-pastors-family/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://amfmission.org/burns/post/a-small-church-pastors-family/</a></p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;ll be blogging again soon. I enjoy the longer, in-depth posts (more than what you can put on Twitter)!</p>
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		By: Byron		</title>
		<link>https://byronharvey.com/the-evangelical-obsession-with-bigness/#comment-1608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://byronharvey.com/the-evangelical-obsession-with-bigness/#comment-1607&quot;&gt;Don&lt;/a&gt;.

HAAAAAAYYYY-MANNNNN!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://byronharvey.com/the-evangelical-obsession-with-bigness/#comment-1607">Don</a>.</p>
<p>HAAAAAAYYYY-MANNNNN!</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a third suggestion: Let&#039;s stop publishing numbers of baptisms and missions giving at annual denominational conventions. Who really needs to know this? Are we really giving God the glory by publicizing these kinds of statistics? Or are we inflating the egos of some while demoralizing those who don&#039;t measure up?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a third suggestion: Let&#8217;s stop publishing numbers of baptisms and missions giving at annual denominational conventions. Who really needs to know this? Are we really giving God the glory by publicizing these kinds of statistics? Or are we inflating the egos of some while demoralizing those who don&#8217;t measure up?</p>
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		By: Byron		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://byronharvey.com/the-evangelical-obsession-with-bigness/#comment-1605&quot;&gt;Dennis&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely, Dennis.  It&#039;s not the size of the church; it&#039;s the message of the gospel, the attitude of the people toward each other and outsiders, and the other vital marks of a Biblical church.  But that&#039;s the point exactly: &lt;strong&gt;it&#039;s not the size of the church&lt;/strong&gt;.  The problem comes in when people assume that &quot;bigger is better&quot;, or &quot;bigger is more faithful&quot;, or &quot;bigger is more God-honoring&quot;; that&#039;s the point of the post.  So many have this tacit assumption that bigness equals God&#039;s blessing, and that nonsense is perpetuated by many of our denominational agencies and conferences.

A corollary to this is pastors who want to &quot;climb the ladder of success&quot;.  Think it doesn&#039;t happen in church the way it does in the &quot;secular world&quot;?  Think again; it happens every bit as much.  I say the following not to &quot;toot my horn&quot;, but I left a middle-sized church to pastor a tiny one, hoping to help it regain health (and as proof I&#039;m not tooting my horn, it didn&#039;t take).  Was I a worse pastor in the tiny church than I was in the middle-sized one that had a significant growth spurt at one point?  Were my sermons worse, my pastoring worse, my strategizing and administration and reaching out worse?  Or was I the same guy, and in one situation, God saw fit to grant sustained growth, while in the other, He did not?

So we take that out into the larger setting, and simple honesty must compel us to recognize that there are many, many faithful and effective pastors laboring in small towns, men who preach the Word and live it out, who by sheer force of demographics will never have a mega-church ministry.  Were they into &quot;ladder-climbing&quot; (and please, I&#039;m not saying that all the mega-church pastors are; that&#039;s certainly not my point), might these guys do an even better job, reach more people, etc.?  Are these guys less faithful, less &quot;deserving&quot; of speaking at the convention or conference, etc.?

I go back to my solution: want to rid Christian faith of our obsession with bigness?  Have no conference in which the only speakers are pastors with mega-congregations, and include in every conference the wisdom of some guys who have labored long and hard in a field which has produced less-than-spectacular results, but who continue to plow away year after year.  Until those guys are given their due, we&#039;ll continue to be driven by this superstar mentality and worship at the altar of the massive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://byronharvey.com/the-evangelical-obsession-with-bigness/#comment-1605">Dennis</a>.</p>
<p>Absolutely, Dennis.  It&#8217;s not the size of the church; it&#8217;s the message of the gospel, the attitude of the people toward each other and outsiders, and the other vital marks of a Biblical church.  But that&#8217;s the point exactly: <strong>it&#8217;s not the size of the church</strong>.  The problem comes in when people assume that &#8220;bigger is better&#8221;, or &#8220;bigger is more faithful&#8221;, or &#8220;bigger is more God-honoring&#8221;; that&#8217;s the point of the post.  So many have this tacit assumption that bigness equals God&#8217;s blessing, and that nonsense is perpetuated by many of our denominational agencies and conferences.</p>
<p>A corollary to this is pastors who want to &#8220;climb the ladder of success&#8221;.  Think it doesn&#8217;t happen in church the way it does in the &#8220;secular world&#8221;?  Think again; it happens every bit as much.  I say the following not to &#8220;toot my horn&#8221;, but I left a middle-sized church to pastor a tiny one, hoping to help it regain health (and as proof I&#8217;m not tooting my horn, it didn&#8217;t take).  Was I a worse pastor in the tiny church than I was in the middle-sized one that had a significant growth spurt at one point?  Were my sermons worse, my pastoring worse, my strategizing and administration and reaching out worse?  Or was I the same guy, and in one situation, God saw fit to grant sustained growth, while in the other, He did not?</p>
<p>So we take that out into the larger setting, and simple honesty must compel us to recognize that there are many, many faithful and effective pastors laboring in small towns, men who preach the Word and live it out, who by sheer force of demographics will never have a mega-church ministry.  Were they into &#8220;ladder-climbing&#8221; (and please, I&#8217;m not saying that all the mega-church pastors are; that&#8217;s certainly not my point), might these guys do an even better job, reach more people, etc.?  Are these guys less faithful, less &#8220;deserving&#8221; of speaking at the convention or conference, etc.?</p>
<p>I go back to my solution: want to rid Christian faith of our obsession with bigness?  Have no conference in which the only speakers are pastors with mega-congregations, and include in every conference the wisdom of some guys who have labored long and hard in a field which has produced less-than-spectacular results, but who continue to plow away year after year.  Until those guys are given their due, we&#8217;ll continue to be driven by this superstar mentality and worship at the altar of the massive.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have no problem with &quot;bigness&quot; as long as the gospel is being proclaimed! There are mega churches in this country where the pastor, when asked on national TV if a person needed to accept Christ to be saved, danced around the question so as not to have to answer it at all! People flock to his church because they can &quot;feel good&quot; when they listen to him preach! I agree bigness in these cases is a problem because the congregation is not being taught the whole truth of the gospel. (Don&#039;t know if this is intentional or maybe the pastor doesn&#039;t truely know Christ) In reply to Shannon, I heard a nationally known pastor recount an incident once about his wife  walking into the church on Sunday morning and a greeter welcomed her and excitedly asked if this was her first time at the church. That greeter had recently accepted Jesus as Savior and was &quot;excited&quot; about knowing the Lord. That&#039;s not a problem, that is what the &quot;church&quot; is to do. Reach the lost and tell them about Christ. Isn&#039;t it &quot;funny&quot; how time tends to cool people off and their excitement of knowing the Savior diminishes after a while.

While visiting churches in my area I attended several &quot;small&quot; long established denominational churches where upon entering no one greeted me and I was given the &quot;look&quot; when I sat down. As if to say why are you here? Or that is Ms.So and So&#039;s seat.

Wouldn&#039;t it be great if all churches were filled with people like the greeter who had just recieved Christ, and were &quot;excited&quot; about JESUS!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with &#8220;bigness&#8221; as long as the gospel is being proclaimed! There are mega churches in this country where the pastor, when asked on national TV if a person needed to accept Christ to be saved, danced around the question so as not to have to answer it at all! People flock to his church because they can &#8220;feel good&#8221; when they listen to him preach! I agree bigness in these cases is a problem because the congregation is not being taught the whole truth of the gospel. (Don&#8217;t know if this is intentional or maybe the pastor doesn&#8217;t truely know Christ) In reply to Shannon, I heard a nationally known pastor recount an incident once about his wife  walking into the church on Sunday morning and a greeter welcomed her and excitedly asked if this was her first time at the church. That greeter had recently accepted Jesus as Savior and was &#8220;excited&#8221; about knowing the Lord. That&#8217;s not a problem, that is what the &#8220;church&#8221; is to do. Reach the lost and tell them about Christ. Isn&#8217;t it &#8220;funny&#8221; how time tends to cool people off and their excitement of knowing the Savior diminishes after a while.</p>
<p>While visiting churches in my area I attended several &#8220;small&#8221; long established denominational churches where upon entering no one greeted me and I was given the &#8220;look&#8221; when I sat down. As if to say why are you here? Or that is Ms.So and So&#8217;s seat.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if all churches were filled with people like the greeter who had just recieved Christ, and were &#8220;excited&#8221; about JESUS!</p>
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