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	Comments on: David Barton&#039;s Astonishingly Bad Apologetic for Glenn Beck	</title>
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		By: Byron		</title>
		<link>https://byronharvey.com/david-bartons-astonishingly-bad-apologetic-for-glenn-beck/#comment-1659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://byronharvey.com/david-bartons-astonishingly-bad-apologetic-for-glenn-beck/#comment-1658&quot;&gt;Kathy R&lt;/a&gt;.

Kathy, to answer your questions:
- I don&#039;t disagree that Obama et al are doing that.  That&#039;s not my concern, though; my concern, in keeping with the scriptural admonition that &quot;judgment must begin at the house of God&quot;, is when professing Christians go off the path in such a public way (by the way, you might agree with me that I&#039;m not particularly convinced by the president&#039;s profession of faith).  Yes, it happens on both sides of the aisle, and with regard to politicians of various &quot;religious stripes&quot;, but that doesn&#039;t make it right.

- Further, you chose to comment on my two-year-old post regarding Barton&#039;s defense of Glenn Beck (rather than Barton&#039;s current problems).  I&#039;m curious: you&#039;re disturbed by what you call &quot;bashing&quot;, but with what in that post do you disagree?  Granting that no one can know the heart of another, can we not agree that Mormonism lies outside Christian orthodoxy, that it constitutes a false religion, and that those who adhere to its teachings with regard to salvation cannot be meaningfully considered to be Christian?  I&#039;m interested in your specific problem(s) with that reasoning.

- Finally, with regard to the current issues relative to Barton, I have posted little on my blog, but more extensively on Facebook; that said, I did post, nearly a year ago, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byron-harvey.com/2011/11/mark-gubicza-elizabeth-taylor-david-barton-and-the-desperate-hunt-for-christian-america/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and then more recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byron-harvey.com/2012/08/the-anatomy-of-a-kool-aid-drinker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  I sincerely hope that you are not numbered among those I describe in the latter post, because what disturbs me is those who blindly defend David Barton--or anyone, for that matter--irrespective of the truth.  It is pretty clear that David Barton is a well-read man who at many points offers a corrective to some on the left who would rewrite American history to scrub it clean of Christian influence.  It is also pretty clear--and the facts are out there in abundance--that in his commendable zeal, Mr. Barton has overplayed his hand by playing fast-and-loose with some of the facts, and instead of facing directly the many points at which he&#039;s been called to account, has employed a policy of subterfuge, ad hominem attacks, and siccing attack dogs to come to his defense.  So long as he continues in this vein, instead of humbly answering his critics, he undermines his credibility as an authority, which I find sad--and disturbing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://byronharvey.com/david-bartons-astonishingly-bad-apologetic-for-glenn-beck/#comment-1658">Kathy R</a>.</p>
<p>Kathy, to answer your questions:<br />
&#8211; I don&#8217;t disagree that Obama et al are doing that.  That&#8217;s not my concern, though; my concern, in keeping with the scriptural admonition that &#8220;judgment must begin at the house of God&#8221;, is when professing Christians go off the path in such a public way (by the way, you might agree with me that I&#8217;m not particularly convinced by the president&#8217;s profession of faith).  Yes, it happens on both sides of the aisle, and with regard to politicians of various &#8220;religious stripes&#8221;, but that doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
<p>&#8211; Further, you chose to comment on my two-year-old post regarding Barton&#8217;s defense of Glenn Beck (rather than Barton&#8217;s current problems).  I&#8217;m curious: you&#8217;re disturbed by what you call &#8220;bashing&#8221;, but with what in that post do you disagree?  Granting that no one can know the heart of another, can we not agree that Mormonism lies outside Christian orthodoxy, that it constitutes a false religion, and that those who adhere to its teachings with regard to salvation cannot be meaningfully considered to be Christian?  I&#8217;m interested in your specific problem(s) with that reasoning.</p>
<p>&#8211; Finally, with regard to the current issues relative to Barton, I have posted little on my blog, but more extensively on Facebook; that said, I did post, nearly a year ago, <a href="http://www.byron-harvey.com/2011/11/mark-gubicza-elizabeth-taylor-david-barton-and-the-desperate-hunt-for-christian-america/" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>, and then more recently <a href="http://www.byron-harvey.com/2012/08/the-anatomy-of-a-kool-aid-drinker/" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>.  I sincerely hope that you are not numbered among those I describe in the latter post, because what disturbs me is those who blindly defend David Barton&#8211;or anyone, for that matter&#8211;irrespective of the truth.  It is pretty clear that David Barton is a well-read man who at many points offers a corrective to some on the left who would rewrite American history to scrub it clean of Christian influence.  It is also pretty clear&#8211;and the facts are out there in abundance&#8211;that in his commendable zeal, Mr. Barton has overplayed his hand by playing fast-and-loose with some of the facts, and instead of facing directly the many points at which he&#8217;s been called to account, has employed a policy of subterfuge, ad hominem attacks, and siccing attack dogs to come to his defense.  So long as he continues in this vein, instead of humbly answering his critics, he undermines his credibility as an authority, which I find sad&#8211;and disturbing.</p>
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		By: Kathy R		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 00:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m disturbed by the new trendy occupation of David Barton bashing.  And deeply disturbed by your fear of &quot;blending of the spiritual with the political to a frightening degree&quot;.  You think Obama et al. aren&#039;t doing that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disturbed by the new trendy occupation of David Barton bashing.  And deeply disturbed by your fear of &#8220;blending of the spiritual with the political to a frightening degree&#8221;.  You think Obama et al. aren&#8217;t doing that?</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Kay: I&#039;m unaware of David&#039;s political aspirations. For which public offices has he run?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kay: I&#8217;m unaware of David&#8217;s political aspirations. For which public offices has he run?</p>
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		By: Kay Sterling		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 12:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Barton is easily corrupted by his thirst for political power.  Wonderful Christian conservatives in Texas have been &quot;labeled&quot; by David Barton as &quot;trial lawyers&quot; or some such other slur in order to further his own political agenda; this tactic is in direct contradiction to his own apologetic in defense of Glen Beck.  It is amazing to see his duplicity in yet another quest for more power.  Those few discerning Christians who have seen through David Barton are not at all surprised by this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Barton is easily corrupted by his thirst for political power.  Wonderful Christian conservatives in Texas have been &#8220;labeled&#8221; by David Barton as &#8220;trial lawyers&#8221; or some such other slur in order to further his own political agenda; this tactic is in direct contradiction to his own apologetic in defense of Glen Beck.  It is amazing to see his duplicity in yet another quest for more power.  Those few discerning Christians who have seen through David Barton are not at all surprised by this.</p>
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		By: Byron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 18:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://byronharvey.com/david-bartons-astonishingly-bad-apologetic-for-glenn-beck/#comment-1654&quot;&gt;TJ&lt;/a&gt;.

No, not that he&#039;s been deceived into personally accepting them, but deceived by considering Beck&#039;s actions to constitute &quot;good fruit&quot; when Beck is a practicing Mormon (and by definition &lt;strong&gt;cannot&lt;/strong&gt; produce &quot;good fruit&quot;, if our faith is true and Mormonism false, as I believe).  Barton&#039;s apologetic for Beck is borderline appalling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://byronharvey.com/david-bartons-astonishingly-bad-apologetic-for-glenn-beck/#comment-1654">TJ</a>.</p>
<p>No, not that he&#8217;s been deceived into personally accepting them, but deceived by considering Beck&#8217;s actions to constitute &#8220;good fruit&#8221; when Beck is a practicing Mormon (and by definition <strong>cannot</strong> produce &#8220;good fruit&#8221;, if our faith is true and Mormonism false, as I believe).  Barton&#8217;s apologetic for Beck is borderline appalling.</p>
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